Greetings!What's this then? This is a thread I've created in an attempt to diagnose the problems we've had with previous attempts at Vanilla servers and to propose solutions to those problems and try to get people involved in resurrecting the Vanilla community. My thoughts (Basic): ShadeCrest needs a Vanilla server. It was fun. Maybe the server shouldn't be FULLY Vanilla, but should instead have a few basic plugins that help us with the problems we've been having We'd definitely need more than one active admin to run things.. Since I know very little about plugins, I need others to suggest and discuss plugins that would be helpful (Discuss below or in a new thread or whatever. I don't care) My thoughts (Detailed): I had a lot of fun with this attempt we made at having a good vanilla server. A lot of cool stuff happened. Cool people were met, cool stories were born, some drama was had (We even went to war). Z's stream was born from this, and it drew quite a lot of attention to the server and ShadeCrest in general (it's still going, but Z doesn't play on ShadeCrest servers anymore). Then one thief came on and ruined everything while I was inactive T_T So I think it'd be awesome to bring this stuff back (again), but we need to do things differently this time, so we don't fail again. Firstly, I think we should scrap the current world and start over. This is mainly because the world we have currently won't work if we go back to 1.7.x in order to use necessary plugins. The new stone variant blocks (andesite, etc.) would be incompatible and probably crash things. Now some proposed solutions to various problems: Snapshot: I know it's really cool to have a server running the snapshot version, but I feel in this case that it's not worth it. The most interesting gimmick of the server still seemed to be that it had amplified terrain, which was and is not a feature confined to the snapshot we were using. The feature exists in 1.7 already. I really enjoyed the terrain and think it kept things much more interesting than they would have been on default terrain. However, we may want to wait and see what we can do with the new terrain customization options that exist in the snapshots. Of course, if we do this, I think we should wait until 1.8 officially releases and whatever plugins we may be using have had time to update. Stealing: I think we could use one of those locked chests plugins. We'd need the ability to lock or unlock chests without having to pay any sort of online currency (like Rupies from Survival). The goal is to remain as vanilla as possible while also being able to keep up a "no stealing" rule. We don't want to have to deal with a currency of any kind (I'd consider that to be straying too far from vanilla) but we do need a way to keep chests safe. Since team-play was a big deal with this past vanilla server, the ability to allow other specific people to access chests that you locked (similar to adding someone to a creative plot) would be helpful. I think the locked chests plugins that I've seen usually have this option.. I may be wrong though. Griefing: This seems to be a bit of a harder problem to solve.. I don't know of many plugins that help with this that aren't game-changing to an awkward extent. We could get one of the plugins that faction servers use that allows you to claim land as your own.. But I'd consider this to be too game-changing. Perhaps we could try the grief-detection plugin that creative uses (it used to be Hawkeye, but now it's Prism). We could allow the admins to have access to this plugin so it doesn't take as long to find out who is griefing and ban them. THEdeadRETURNED also suggested we use modreq. This could be very helpful for both stealing and griefing, so victims can report things while mods are offline. Whitelist: I remember having to apply to get on ShadeCrest's survival server when I joined as KFamilys a long time ago (couple years by now). One of the questions that was asked of all applicants was whether they'd been banned before from another server, and if so what they were banned for and if they had anything to say in their defense. I believe this was then double-checked with some kind of ban tracker tool. I feel like this could be extremely useful for any future whitelist we create for any future vanilla server we do, given what we've been through with this one, and what I heard about the one that was tried before this one. Obviously it would help a lot if we had a few more admins to help keep up with the whitelist. Other new problems: ezeiger has brought up some interesting problems that require some discussion, so I'm going to put them here. I'm not sure if the first problem should be considered much of a problem. Basically, we may want or need to come up with more things to make us different from the other ShadeCrest servers. I'd consider "having fewer plugins" and "using custom terrain generation" to be different enough, but having more differentiating gameplay features could be a smart thing. Keep in mind though that we're still trying to have a vanilla server here, so any suggestions should be sure to consider vanilla gameplay and try not to change it so much so that we can't call the server "Vanilla" anymore. I've started a survey on Surveymonkey to help clear up some of the questions we need answered. This should help clear up whether this is actually a problem or not. The second problem is that the Survival staff started playing vanilla too much in our last attempt and forgot their responsibilities on the Survival server, causing them to be understaffed. It seems like splitting the general playerbase among more of our own servers isn't such a bad thing, and hopefully another server will help introduce more people to the ShadeCrest community, filling in whatever players Vanilla absorbs from the other servers. As for Survival staff, inactivity from the server they moderate/administrate should probably be met with the threat of demotion, whether they quit survival for their own reasons or the decide to play vanilla full-time. If any Survival admins decide to quit Survival, we may want to look at giving them admin powers on Vanilla, since they will have already had a lot of experience from their time with Survival. It would also be a good idea to promote more admins in general so we don't end up understaffed on any of our servers. Survey: I created a survey using SurveyMonkey. If anyone who has read the thread to this point could take a few seconds to complete it, that would be most helpful. As of 8/7/14 the survey isn't as much of a focus anymore. It'd still be good to get more responses, and the results will be updated, but I don't expect to get much more out of it. 21 people filled out the survey. Here are the details: Q1: For those of you that played on the Vanilla server, which of these features was most important to you? A1: The server running a snapshot Chosen 5 times (23.81%) A2: The server's use of amplified terrain Chosen 3 times (14.29%) A3: Enforcement of rules such as "No stealing/griefing" Chosen 10 times (47.62%) A4: I didn't play on the Vanilla server Chosen 3 times (14.29%) Q2: For those interested in resurrecting the Vanilla server, which applies to you? A1: The server needs to be running the snapshot and be able to keep up with the newer snapshot versions to be interesting Chosen 4 times (20.00%) A2: The server needs to be able to enforce its "No griefing/stealing" rule. I'm willing to give up snapshots and replace them with custom terrain generation and the plugins in the list below in order to have a Vanilla server that lasts Chosen 10 times (50.00%) A3: I'm willing to give up the snapshot for plugins, but I think we should have more unique gameplay features to make us more different from the other servers Chosen 3 times (15.00%) A4: I don't think we should use snapshots, plugins, or custom terrain. I just want to play vanilla Minecraft with the latest official release Chosen 1 time (5.00%) A5: I don't think we should resurrect the Vanilla server Chosen 2 times (10.00%) Skipped this question: 1 lazy person Survey here. Prospective plugin list: LWC for protection from stealing Prism for griefing detection ModReq for helping with reports of griefing/stealing while mods are offline Suggestions welcome. Suggested plugins should be helpful and should not change gameplay much Update after survey (8/7/14): The idea of resurrecting the Vanilla server seems more and more plausible as discussion continues. The results of the survey help to prove that people would like to bring the Vanilla server back, and that they like the idea of adding in plugins to help things. It seems like most people who will be playing won't miss the snapshot features badly enough to be turned away. I hope those that chose the first option for either question will still be interested enough to at least give the prospective server a try, if and when it does go online. At this point, I'd like the discussion to move from deciding whether or not this is going to happen. Of course, if there's a problem with any of my basic ideas that nobody has pointed out or discussed, still feel free to post about it. I'd appreciate it, though, if all those that have taken part in discussion thus far would begin talking about other things, like: What will the community do on the prospective Vanilla server? I assume we all want to make a spawn town, but we could discuss more specific things, like what we want in the town. Preferably, we could brainstorm other community/building projects that we want. There's a lot of opportunity in a brand new Vanilla server. What kind of terrain do we want? People may want to mess around with the custom generator feature in the snapshots. We could vote on the cooler presets. On more of a logistics side of things, we need to figure out how the server will be administered. Do we want Moderators as well as Admins? Who should be admin? Should we open up admin applications? We may need admin/authority input for this. We also need to figure out how to actually make any of this happen. I don't really know how to get things started, or who to talk to. I don't really have any power over things like this myself, so obviously I/we will need some help xP This seems like a whole lot of new stuff to discuss, so it may be wise to let discussion spill over into a new thread, focused more plans and ideas, rather than discussing whether or not this will work. If people agree or it gets to a point where we need more organization to our discussion, I'll create a new thread. Thanks for the support so far people! I've not ever taken this kind of leadership role on something like this before, and this is actually my first forum thread ever, so it's nice to get so much feedback and discussion. I'm glad to see that the Vanilla community itself is not dead after all. That is everything I've thought of so far, though I'll be updating this post as more ideas or problems to discuss come in. I'm somewhat new to posting threads on forums in general, and I'm kinda guessing at some things in this post, especially when it comes to plugins. I know nothing about those. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this as I'm sure there are some things I didn't think all the way through. If anyone knows of any other plugins that should be used to solve the problems listed above, or if anyone can think of any other problem that needs solving, please reply below. Thanks for reading.